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Was Lampard a mistake

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edge said:
It depends if you think we are already down or not?
If you do keep him and let him build for next season in the championship(not that he has any record to say he can do that).
If by some miracle you think we can stay up, he has to go because he plainly isnt the man to keep us in this division.
Are fixtures are miles harder than Burnley ,they have been there before and have got the bounce from winning a big game against us, we have to hope Norwich do something on the weekend to stop them getting any momentum.
I have like must on here been looking at the other teams around the bottom, we are the team easiest to beat.
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The only hope we have is Mina coming back in asap (yes I know) and partnering him with Branthwaite. Stick Holgate at RB and tell him to defend and Godfrey at left back.

Allan and VdB are needed just to bolster the ranks.

Richarlison needs playing through the middle IMO with Gray and Gordon / Iwobi either side. It’s not exactly lethal and you have to wonder where the goals are going to come from if it’s not Richarlison.

Looks like DCL has decided he’s more of a fashion model now than a footballer.

It’s still doable, but after last night I fear the little bit of fight they had will be extinguished, but those returning players could possibly boost the side.
 
Thomasc said:
The only hope we have is Mina coming back in asap (yes I know) and partnering him with Branthwaite. Stick Holgate at RB and tell him to defend and Godfrey at left back.

Allan and VdB are needed just to bolster the ranks.

Richarlison needs playing through the middle IMO with Gray and Gordon / Iwobi either side. It’s not exactly lethal and you have to wonder where the goals are going to come from if it’s not Richarlison.

Looks like DCL has decided he’s more of a fashion model now than a footballer.

It’s still doable, but after last night I fear the little bit of fight they had will be extinguished, but those returning players could possibly boost the side.
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Could be right mate, throw Delph into the mix and possibly a wild card like the fella from villa or a kid it might just work out.
I have been ranting about Lampard, but calming down a bit , he can't do anything about players doing daft things, it's in every game nearly, how many time this year have just Keane and Coleman ECT thrown a game away?
Add to in the injury list , daft spending off, it's like the club and lampard are cursed , they are by the way said it for decades we will never win a thing while kenwrights around, little did I know he would jinx us out of the prem.
Should ban his from all are remaining games that would be worth a point of two:)
 

Us Leeds fans have known he was a clown since his Derby days. There is zero evidence to suggest that he is a good manager.
 
There were few alternatives to Lampard at the time of his appointment and I thought the understanding would be to stick with him and get behind him until the end of the season

We could sack him now and bring in a relegation battle specialist like Allardyce. The problem is, the fans took against him last time for his style of play, despite securing us 8th place, which looks pretty stellar right now

Unrealistic fan expectation, fan negativity and inability to analyse, critique and support the team in a balanced and constructive way are a big part of the problem here in my view - if we go down, the culture the fans have created will have played a big part in that

And the question is then, where do you go from there? Presumably the negativity will still be present if we reach the championship. Does the club need a new fan base?

A negative mindset and losing go hand in hand I think
 
Appointing Benitez was never going to work, too much of a toxic figure to the fan base, the mistake started there. Then the mistake was compounded by giving an inexperienced man the job. Think sacking the captain of the Titanic after the iceberg had been hit and giving the cook the job.

Lampard could have been a great appointment but not with the way the club are at the moment, he should sack us.
 
nikom court said:
were martinez,koeman,fat sam,marco silva,fsw and lampard all mistakes?
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Yes, although fat Sam did the job he was brought in to do.
Koeman I get why they got him ,all the rest shouldn't have been in the frame done nothing mostly couple of relegation s and the only winner among them the last man on the planet we should have gone in for and that was when he was washed up.
 
edge said:
It depends if you think we are already down or not?
If you do keep him and let him build for next season in the championship(not that he has any record to say he can do that).
If by some miracle you think we can stay up, he has to go because he plainly isnt the man to keep us in this division.
Are fixtures are miles harder than Burnley ,they have been there before and have got the bounce from winning a big game against us, we have to hope Norwich do something on the weekend to stop them getting any momentum.
I have like must on here been looking at the other teams around the bottom, we are the team easiest to beat.
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Some +'s and -'s in this post:

-'s:
  • If Everton are relegated, it's not due to 'only' Frank Lampard, but also seasons of poor signings and top down mgt.
  • "...keep him...next season in the Championship (not that he has any record...)". He took Derby to the play-off final
  • If by some miracle we stay up... he plainly isn't the man to keep us in this division"... will he not have proved that by staying up with this squad in a short amount of time?
+'s:

  • Our fixtures are harder than Burnley's - agree, on paper.
  • They have been there before - totally agree, made a similar point elsewhere. Big factor, yes
    Momentum - yes, big factor in our season (the lack of it)

Overall I think the sentiment in the post is spot on btw. The situation is bad, sad and it's been coming for a while. Makes me feel angry, frustrated and disconnected in a weird way to the club cos I just don't see the values I love in it much at the moment (talent, discipline, youth, grit). Maybe Gordon, Frank's improved Iwobi, too. Branthwaite looks like he could offer something, Gray, Mykolenko did OK haven't seen enough of Patterson yet. Keep em together cos if they survive this year they'll push on next. And if they don't let's rebuild Everton as it should be from the Championships with more local talent and fight and less toxic dreaming and garbage from our board downwards.

Whilst I sort of feel Frank might not the man for the job longer-term I don't know who could help who: a) was available, b) with the players out there on the market c) our culture d) and our budget. Our defence is just so baaaaad now.

I thought Dyche's energy and touchline presence in the 2nd half was very noticeable versus Lampard (watch him disappear to the bench when Derby go 1-0 down in that Championship final, btw)... It's the most prized win in football Frank, get on your feet son!

So I think yes Frankcan develop peronally and tactically, but my point is he and EFC should never have been in this now perilous position.

Yet we (EFC at least) constantly turned our noses up at unglamorous options like Howe, Potter, Dyche, turned on Sam too. Instead we (EFC at least) thought a few quid, agents and overseas mgt spanking 100s of millions was better, entitled us to TOP 4 contention and we only looked up. West Ham and now Burnley have shown that's not how football clubs thrive and survive.

And across the park Klopp plays TAA, Gomez, Robertson, Jones, Henderson et al and cruise through the CL quarters. British players that cost them buttons.
 

We could have Guardiola.
It won't stop Kenny doing things like not having a clue where he is on the pitch.

Personally, I think we have somehow amassed a very good backroom staff and coaching team, I would rather keep someone who will know what absolute horse sh is in the squad and can begin an exodus from the championship. Additionally, Lampard and also Thelwell both have very good Championship experience. So we would be fools to think sacking him would be a good idea. Imo this season is done, this team cannot be salvaged, had Patterson not got injured we might have had a chance as he would have been better than Kenny. Who has been at fault for almost every goal the last few games in some way or another.
 
I (Derby fan) watched your game last night and tbh it looked like the players were still playing and you deserved at least a point from the game - probably a win.

I don't think your fixtures are as bad as you think either - some of these teams are in poor form or have nothing to play for. Man Utd, Leicester, even Chelsea are not unwinnable.

I wasn't a huge fan of Lampard at Derby - he did ok but with a strong squad for that division - but I'd keep hold of him irrespective. If you do go down you'll undoubtedly have strong players for that division and be up near the top - Lampard suits that - it's where he's spent most of his career and when things go well he's good at creating a feel good factor with fans, media and players. He's had a bit more experience now too and he's not stupid so he'll have learned from that. Ignore the Leeds fan they just can't get over Lampard getting a jammy win in the play offs against them.
 
That’s two separate questions.

Was Lampard a mistake? At this time and place, it looks like he might well have been. But of the names on the table he was the one I wanted. He doesn’t seem to quite know how to face up to this challenge though, which is a concern, and given our squad is full of players who don’t seem to be instinctively “up for the fight” of relegation, we probably needed someone with some experience of being in this battle before, in hindsight.

Should we have given it to Dunc? Christ no!
 

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