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Your stance on Martinez AND what would change it?
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magicjuan
Player Valuation: £60m
Think you'll find over the passage of time that managers do. Fergie did, many times. Perhaps success enhances the ego, but Martinez' success at Everton is limited by any sfretch of the imagination
I never once saw Fergie admit he was wrong during a season etc. If he did, it was always way after what he had got wrong.
The Equaliser
Player Valuation: £50m
I welcomed his appointment as he was the best available candidate at the time, but always had a nagging fear that he might turn us into an upgraded version of Wigan. I was hoping that he would build on the solid foundations bequeathed to him and take the next steps forward. That appeared to be the case during his first season so was I happy that this fear seemed to be unfounded.
Then in the summer of 2014 he proceeded to dismantle everything that had been built and start from scratch again, discarding everything that had gone before mostly by doing nothing to keep the foundations secure. The result has been the calamity of the last 18 months and the realisation of my aforementioned fear. Gone is the famous team spirit which was once a hallmark of our side. Gone is Fortress Goodison where even the bottom clubs can now win. Gone is the fear the opposition used to have when playing us which has been replaced with an attitude that we are a soft touch and if you get at us you can turn us over. Watching games now has become an exercise in guessing at what point we will concede the next goal as we languish in the bottom half of the table.
At 18 months in charge it was far too early to consider a change, as a manager certainly needs more time than that to turn things around. Additionally it does not reflect well on the club to be chopping and changing managers at the drop of a hat. However 3 years into a job is an ample and appropriate amount of time for there to be substantive evidence of how things are going to go in the future. At this point in time all signs point in one direction - downwards. For this reason he has to be shown the door at the end of the season if and when things have not drastically improved.
Then in the summer of 2014 he proceeded to dismantle everything that had been built and start from scratch again, discarding everything that had gone before mostly by doing nothing to keep the foundations secure. The result has been the calamity of the last 18 months and the realisation of my aforementioned fear. Gone is the famous team spirit which was once a hallmark of our side. Gone is Fortress Goodison where even the bottom clubs can now win. Gone is the fear the opposition used to have when playing us which has been replaced with an attitude that we are a soft touch and if you get at us you can turn us over. Watching games now has become an exercise in guessing at what point we will concede the next goal as we languish in the bottom half of the table.
At 18 months in charge it was far too early to consider a change, as a manager certainly needs more time than that to turn things around. Additionally it does not reflect well on the club to be chopping and changing managers at the drop of a hat. However 3 years into a job is an ample and appropriate amount of time for there to be substantive evidence of how things are going to go in the future. At this point in time all signs point in one direction - downwards. For this reason he has to be shown the door at the end of the season if and when things have not drastically improved.
magicjuan
Player Valuation: £60m
I did in post match interviews.
Coffee and TV
Player Valuation: £25m
At this point he would have to prove he can defend and that he doesn't have favourites that will never get dropped (eg Howard). It's got to the stage where he just annoys me now.
Fair enough then. Personally, I never saw the man with the biggest ego in football ever accept blame for him or his players. He might admit they weren't at the races, but he would never slate their defending publicly. And more often than not, if they lost, he'd blame the refs, and he did it a lot more than Martinez ever has...
I think we had really looked like we had turned a corner with the defending at the turn of the year. We kept Spurs to 1 (a very good goal from a very good side) and City to 1 (they did us on the counter - we've done plenty of sides 'good at defending' on the counter this year as well). We then kept the first clean sheet any team has kept against City in over a year.
That bad five minutes at Chelsea cost us those two goals, and we then didn't get a clear decision go in our favour that would have given us a big win.
Swansea, the 1st half was shocking, all round. Worst we've played this season.
City, a freak game in a sense. We went into that game with City (at home) needing to score two goals to go through. We then made sure that they had to score three. We conceded shortly after from a deflected pot shot - something we conceded plenty of under the last regime, and was as much down to a poor attempted block from Baines as it was anything else. Martinez does not tell Baines to leave a leg hanging out like that, does he?
We then, after 50 minutes of solid defending with a bit of luck with the efforts hitting the post (like plenty of teams have had against us this season when we've hit the woodwork), concede a goal that, plain and simple, should not have stood. After that, our heads drop for five minutes and City take advantage. The heads dropping is the worrying part - like the mad five minutes at Chelsea. Again, you're talking about Chelsea and City away here. Not exactly relegation fodder...
Agree on Howard. Madness he has not been dropped.
If they have not improved by season's end, then yes, time to re-assess. Now is not the time though, which is my argument against people wanting him out now.
bitter-no-better
Player Valuation: £25m
good post this. my personal opinion is that if a few results had gone our way (eg Bournemouth and Chelsea ) we would be less critical. however for the past 2 seasons I go to goodison with a sense that we need to score at least 2 to get something out of a game. our away displays are fairly good so we need to as a team and as supporters make goodison an intimidating place again and our home form must improve quickly.
agree 100% there pal
lancs blue
Player Valuation: £35m
Nothing will change. Fans will/will not want Martinez out. The Board will not act to remove Martinez unless new owners on board demanding change or the league position is threatened so much that relegation is on the cards. Martinez knows that and thats why he refuses to change his game plan.
meagher94
Player Valuation: £35m
Haha, yours was a good post nonetheless mate.
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