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David Moyes

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Goat said:
I strangely misread Golden boot as Balloon D'Or, I was racking my brain.
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Bluewolf said:
Without moyes wed be hanging around in the second division if we were lucky.
The club was in a massive mess and only heading one way.

He took over and literally changed the club from top to bottom and had us as "best of the rest" with a avarage spend of 3m a season in transfers. He went 3 transfer windows without bringing in a permanent transfer and having our best players sold off and still had us challenging for Europe.

Also lets not forget moyes didnt put the bids in for our players Woodward did. Fair enough though his comments were stupid.

Doesn't take away from the fact he was a fantastic manager for us anyone who says different is mental.

Id personally be made up if dyche was sacked tomorrow and we brought moyes back in.
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I agree with all of this bar the final sentence, because I'm 'Dyche in.'

People forget Moyes won multiple manager of the year awards with us and little to no money to spend. Who remembers the website that was just a timer counting the minutes since we had last paid money for a player. It's was up for a couple of years.

He assembled a couple of really decent squads during his tenure. Players I'd kill for over the current lot.
 

Sean Ashley said:
Yep agree there if we are talking tactical nous maybe not style and attitude when playing better opposition, without sounding like @Zatara

Think Dyche belongs with the likes of Big Sam and Pulis

Moyes with Redknapp and Hodgson

Will only be a footnote in football history not a chapter
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I dont think Dyche can be pigeon holed as he is without at least having better tools.

If the rumours of Kabore & Minteh come to fruition at least we'll have one attacking wide area. If he still keeps the full back and wide man deep then ok
 
LinekersLegs said:
Was furious when he tried to lowball Fellani/Baines offers after running his own contract down.

But at one point he looked worse than the guy dressed up as Death behind him, genuinely feared for his health tbh.



So glad he’s had some happy moments since.
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The touchline scene with his old man when west ham won that pot was great, his limitations as a manager are really obvious in punditry but he managed our club wonderfully well.

Just a shame of that was a consequence kenwright got away with so much
 
Also his disrespect saying to his pet Phil Neville “we’re at Manchester United now we have to wear a suit”.

That clip of him acting like a school child being giddy over going to another club was a bit weird, saying he also, again, had to go buy a suit from M&S so he can see him was a bit weird too.

Also galloping back to West Ham when they fired him, odd man imo.
 
Bedfordblue said:
(1) You can’t say that with absolute certainty though, it’s speculative and your opinion which you are of course perfectly entitled to. Personally I don’t think he did anything outstanding that another 1/2 decent manager couldn’t have done.
(2) He sure did, he set a tone we’re are still suffering with today. He took one of the leagues grandest clubs and lowered their aspirations to a Bolton / Crystal Palace equivalent. His cringey knife to gun fight gibberish gave everyone involved with the club an excuse to lower expectations.
(3) Us being skint / a league pauper is one of his biggest enduring myths of his reign. Our transfer spending and wages were consistent the 7th highest in the league, pretty much where he had us averaging results wise. And net spend is also a skewed stat, he sold payers for comparative fortunes and spent that income (often very well)
(4) Tomato / tomato, Dyche = Moyes / Moyes = Dyche. Main difference is Dyche at least doesn’t prefix difficult games with his excuses for not winning. (And Dyche was able to win a promotion to the EPL when Moyes couldnt)

All in my humble opinion like.
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Excellent post
 

Bluewolf said:
Without moyes wed be hanging around in the second division if we were lucky.
The club was in a massive mess and only heading one way.

He took over and literally changed the club from top to bottom and had us as "best of the rest" with a avarage spend of 3m a season in transfers. He went 3 transfer windows without bringing in a permanent transfer and having our best players sold off and still had us challenging for Europe.

Also lets not forget moyes didnt put the bids in for our players Woodward did. Fair enough though his comments were stupid.

Doesn't take away from the fact he was a fantastic manager for us anyone who says different is mental.

Id personally be made up if dyche was sacked tomorrow and we brought moyes back in.
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The absolute insanity of wanting dyche sacked and moyes hired.

People need to move on, never go back especially to a disrespectful dinosaur
 
Bluewolf said:
Without moyes wed be hanging around in the second division if we were lucky.
The club was in a massive mess and only heading one way.

He took over and literally changed the club from top to bottom and had us as "best of the rest" with a avarage spend of 3m a season in transfers. He went 3 transfer windows without bringing in a permanent transfer and having our best players sold off and still had us challenging for Europe.

Also lets not forget moyes didnt put the bids in for our players Woodward did. Fair enough though his comments were stupid.

Doesn't take away from the fact he was a fantastic manager for us anyone who says different is mental.

Id personally be made up if dyche was sacked tomorrow and we brought moyes back in.
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I agree with all of this except the last line. Moyes did a tremendous job for us for years, but he also lost huge opportunities to win silverware with appalling cup defeats to Reading and Wigan. He is yesterday's man, and a new regime at Everton HAS to be aiming higher than David Moyes when the time comes to say goodbye to Sean Dyche - who has done every bit as good a job as Moyes in keeping us up these last two seasons. In fact, his predicament was far more dire than Moyes's, who never suffered points deductions and the utter chaos of Moshiri's sanction-busted regime.

I think it's possible to appreciate what David Moyes did at a difficult time for Everton under a charlatan owner, whilst simultaneously appreciating what Sean Dyche did for Everton at an even more difficult time under an absentee owner.
 
Walken said:
The touchline scene with his old man when west ham won that pot was great, his limitations as a manager are really obvious in punditry but he managed our club wonderfully well.

Just a shame of that was a consequence kenwright got away with so much
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I, too, was very pleased he had his moment with West Ham. I have been a critic, but the man deserved that.

My animosity towards Moyes stems from my belief that he was a fig leaf for the mismanagement of Kenwright and he bought too far in to Kenwright's agenda of pluckiness out of self-preservation as much as anything. When the time came to put ourselves in a position to win something, he folded against Reading and Wigan when only Man City - a team we routinely defeated at the time - remained in the cup. Plucky, but also paper tigers.

Moyes's good stewardship of the club - and it was good, we cannot take that away from him - was Kenwright's shield. He was perfect for Bill. Too good to ever get us relegated (and cost Bill everything) but not good enough to win anything or even seriously disturb the ceiling (which would mean Bill would be under pressure to fork out for better players to fund true ambition).

There is no way in the wide earthly world I would want Everton - as shambolic as we currently are - to return to those days. People point now and say "but we were 7th every year". True, but they forget the crucial next bit: "but knew in our hearts and souls that that was our ceiling and even a cup win was beyond us as proven by Wigan and Reading."

Moyes got us to Limbo. With new ownership, one would hope our ceiling can now shatter and another manager can finally break it. Will that be Dyche? Who knows. Right now, his job is to improve us again next season. But I wouldn't be rushing him out the door until total stability is earned and he has managed himself out of the role.
 
Drico said:
I agree with all of this except the last line. Moyes did a tremendous job for us for years, but he also lost huge opportunities to win silverware with appalling cup defeats to Reading and Wigan. He is yesterday's man, and a new regime at Everton HAS to be aiming higher than David Moyes when the time comes to say goodbye to Sean Dyche - who has done every bit as good a job as Moyes in keeping us up these last two seasons. In fact, his predicament was far more dire than Moyes's, who never suffered points deductions and the utter chaos of Moshiri's sanction-busted regime.

I think it's possible to appreciate what David Moyes did at a difficult time for Everton under a charlatan owner, whilst simultaneously appreciating what Sean Dyche did for Everton at an even more difficult time under an absentee owner.
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To give Moyes some respect, if it wasn’t for him, I believe we would have been relegated during Kenwrights inept operation and ruining the opportunities during the birth of the premier league.
 

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