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"The fans wanted him sacked"

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You have to be kidding with those parallels?

Swansea were an empty shell when Martinez grabbed hold of that club. He was fundamental to it's rise again.
Try countering the crux of what he's saying there Dave - oh you can't

As you were.

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I don't buy the arguments of managers laying foundations for others to achieve on. Where does it end? Did Moyes lay the foundations for Martinez last season? or for this season even? How can Swansea's success still be attributed to Martinez when 4 managers have passed between since? Mourinho is one of the most dominating characters of all et how long did it take Scolari to dismantle what he built? AVB to dismantle Ancelotti's work (or was his success still Mourinho's?). Why is Luis Enrique having to completely redefine Barcelona to get some results out of them when Guardiola's memory is not that far gone?

From the moment a manager walks in he is responsible. How did Moyes take a team of champions and reduce them to 7th, equally how did he take a relegation threatened side and get them to fourth. Perosnality, tactics, mindset, player selections. They have an instant impact. Martinez deserves the credit he got last season and he is deserving of the criticism he gets this one. Any future success he has will be his as will any future failures. Attributing Swansea's success to Martinez is just as stupid as attributing it to Rodgers, he was the one who got them into the premier league and he was the one immediately followed by Laudrup. Of course their success is the accumulation of good seasons in a row by Martinez, Rodgers, Laudrup and now Monk rather than one laying the foundations for the others to sponge off. Managers make their own teams. If someone rolls into Everton tomorrow and wins the league next season is he building off Roberto's foundations?
Absolutely nailed it.

What you've done there is smashed Dave's extremely selective 'legacy' theory into a million pieces.
 

I don't buy the arguments of managers laying foundations for others to achieve on. Where does it end? Did Moyes lay the foundations for Martinez last season? or for this season even? How can Swansea's success still be attributed to Martinez when 4 managers have passed between since? Mourinho is one of the most dominating characters of all et how long did it take Scolari to dismantle what he built? AVB to dismantle Ancelotti's work (or was his success still Mourinho's?). Why is Luis Enrique having to completely redefine Barcelona to get some results out of them when Guardiola's memory is not that far gone?

From the moment a manager walks in he is responsible. How did Moyes take a team of champions and reduce them to 7th, equally how did he take a relegation threatened side and get them to fourth. Perosnality, tactics, mindset, player selections. They have an instant impact. Martinez deserves the credit he got last season and he is deserving of the criticism he gets this one. Any future success he has will be his as will any future failures. Attributing Swansea's success to Martinez is just as stupid as attributing it to Rodgers, he was the one who got them into the premier league and he was the one immediately followed by Laudrup. Of course their success is the accumulation of good seasons in a row by Martinez, Rodgers, Laudrup and now Monk rather than one laying the foundations for the others to sponge off. Managers make their own teams. If someone rolls into Everton tomorrow and wins the league next season is he building off Roberto's foundations?

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I dont discount that concern. It's legitimate.

You seem to think you know my position on this issue and it's clear you dont. You're reading what you want to believe is there rather than what is.


Don't really think I am but I accept your point, despite it being wrong.

I'm actually basing it on the fact you reference last year muchly which - accepted - was ace, but it's all about the now Davey, for me, and I'm guessing for others too because the distance between then and today seems immeasurable somehow at the moment, such has been the fall.

So, if it's not about the now, it's about the 'way back when' & yada-yada-yada. And that's a trait belonging to next door, namely it doesn't matter because, frankly, it's gone...

Oh, and before you nip in and again - and agreed BTW - say we only need minimal points to stay safe etc. Well, it's not just about the points is it, it's the whole season, it's everything currently PL wise and I can't fathom why...

And as an aside, my little boy was watching this before, without prompt, so I lay down, watched it with him....rather wish I hadn't TBH.

But I genuinely hope the players do sometime soon, just as a reminder...

 
I`m gutted now. We shouldn`t have sacked Walker. He would have done so much if we hadn`t.
I remember calling for Mike Walkers head on a spike at the end of a particularly grim home defeat by Coventry, and some lad behind me turned on me saying "you'd have had Kendall sacked lad".

What Howard achieved during his first tenure 30 years ago doesn't somehow set a template that other Everton managers are going (or likely) to follow. An 'Oxford moment' has been wheeled out as a reason for hanging fire for every manager we've had since.

I hope Martinez finds one, maybe it'll be Sunday, who knows.....
I`m gutted now. We shouldn`t have sacked Walker. We would have won so much if we hadn`t.
 

Right so because Kendall turned out to be a great manager 30 years ago, Martinez will too.

Some fans are going to learn the hard way. Kendall hadn't relegated a stable Division one team 2 seasons earlier.

And because Walker took us to rock bottom Martinez will too. Some absolute thoughtless drivel posted in this forum.
 
So can we think about sacking Martinez on Monday week if we're out of Europe and have also made a balls of the games against Newcastle and QPR....or should we wait another 3 weeks til we've made a balls of the game against Burnley too - or maybe hang on for Villa. Heck, we might as well wait til we're down! Yeah?
 
You cannot discount the work that goes into building up a team or building up a club. Look at a mega rich club like Man City who have spent hundreds of millions on players over a relatively short period, bringing the best managers(as they thought) money could buy and yet they are still
not the powerhouse club they would like to be.
Anybody who believes that a good manager doesn't leave his print on a club for years after he is gone imo doesn't know what they are talking about.
 
So can we think about sacking Martinez on Monday week if we're out of Europe and have also made a balls of the games against Newcastle and QPR....or should we wait another 3 weeks til we've made a balls of the game against Burnley too - or maybe hang on for Villa. Heck, we might as well wait til we're down! Yeah?

No, we lose our next 4 games and he will be gone, whether he resigns or not.
 

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