Ukraine invasion and the sanction of Oligarchs

[Narntwinnysivven]

What comes first relegation or death?

The million dolla question

Death.

By a thousand away games

 

[catcherintherye]

Now you are lauding China and it's system. Are there any depths that you will not stoop too.

Let's make it clear here. China and its system are one of the most brutal oppressive regimes on the planet. The USA clearly has its faults, but to side with oppressive regimes like Russia and China just beggars belief.

All in a horrendous attempt to defend Usmanov and Moshiri a mobster and his bag man. You really are beneath contempt and a stain on our fan base.

None of the above is connected to Usmanov or Moshiri (who the last time I checked are not Chinese).

Chinese is a socialist country, is lifting more people out of poverty than western countries, and is leading the world in terms of economic development, growth rates and development. It is far from perfect, but it is contributing positively on different ways.

Unfortunately the only person who seems to be stooping to depths here is yourself, in trying to defend the USA. It is a country built on the backs of slavery, has militarily intervened in more countries than any other, to prop up regimes like Pinochet, Apartheid and others. All to prop up the greed and racism of a failed state.

Its last President opened up camps, and had children living in them, separated from their parents, for no reason other than being migrants.

The same President, and the wider political party intimidated vote counters, and made a conscious effort to prevent black people from voting based solely on their race.

I'm not being horrible here, I'm not going to be lectured on morality by people who stand in support of the above. That's the tip of the iceberg as well. Thank goodness there are people who will call it out.

It's also not about sides. It is about calling out behaviour honestly, and acknowledging it's not just Putin as the only bad person in the world, or China for that matter. NATO allies like Turkey, Saudi Arabia etc commit awful atrocities against their own people and others. You might be best opening your mind to what's happening a little, rather than calling those that do "stains" on anything.

 

[lancs blue]

The fact remains kenwright will be down his local launderette trying to clean his moshri money. His only dilemma - persil or daz?

 

[Axlswhk]

None of the above is connected to Usmanov or Moshiri (who the last time I checked are not Chinese).

Chinese is a socialist country, is lifting more people out of poverty than western countries, and is leading the world in terms of economic development, growth rates and development. It is far from perfect, but it is contributing positively on different ways.

Unfortunately the only person who seems to be stooping to depths here is yourself, in trying to defend the USA. It is a country built on the backs of slavery, has militarily intervened in more countries than any other, to prop up regimes like Pinochet, Apartheid and others. All to prop up the greed and racism of a failed state.

Its last President opened up camps, and had children living in them, separated from their parents, for no reason other than being migrants.

The same President, and the wider political party intimidated vote counters, and made a conscious effort to prevent black people from voting based solely on their race.

I'm not being horrible here, I'm not going to be lectured on morality by people who stand in support of the above. That's the tip of the iceberg as well. Thank goodness there are people who will call it out.

It's also not about sides. It is about calling out behaviour honestly, and acknowledging it's not just Putin as the only bad person in the world, or China for that matter. NATO allies like Turkey, Saudi Arabia etc commit awful atrocities against their own people and others. You might be best opening your mind to what's happening a little, rather than calling those that do "stains" on anything.

Can I kill your dog and I’d pay you a grand and you just shut up about it cos I’ve contributed to your financial well-being. Or perhaps I can kill your neighbours dog too. You should be idolising me for being generous.

 

[catcherintherye]

The solution is simple, you do not invade another Sovereign state. Or are you stating that it is okay as long as people in the inner circle of that Country sponsor Everton.

Well that adds nothing to the discussion I'm afraid.

I was pointing out that Russia are not the only country to invade another country post 1945. I stand by that.

As for the inner circle, neither Usmanov or particularly Moshiri are in any way associated with Putins Inner circle. They are not MPs in their Parliament, and are not on any of the senior committees.

They are no more inner circle than John Henry, or Joel Glazier is the inner circle of Trumps America. They are far less inner circle than PIF to Saudis war on Yemen.

Yet I'm being pulled out for pointing these quite obvious things out.

Unfortunately, it is not simple as you put it. If you ignore large swathes of evidence it is simple. If you engage with all of the evidence in its entirety it's actually quite complex.

 

[gwladysnight]

None of the above is connected to Usmanov or Moshiri (who the last time I checked are not Chinese).

Chinese is a socialist country, is lifting more people out of poverty than western countries, and is leading the world in terms of economic development, growth rates and development. It is far from perfect, but it is contributing positively on different ways.

Unfortunately the only person who seems to be stooping to depths here is yourself, in trying to defend the USA. It is a country built on the backs of slavery, has militarily intervened in more countries than any other, to prop up regimes like Pinochet, Apartheid and others. All to prop up the greed and racism of a failed state.

Its last President opened up camps, and had children living in them, separated from their parents, for no reason other than being migrants.

The same President, and the wider political party intimidated vote counters, and made a conscious effort to prevent black people from voting based solely on their race.

I'm not being horrible here, I'm not going to be lectured on morality by people who stand in support of the above. That's the tip of the iceberg as well. Thank goodness there are people who will call it out.

It's also not about sides. It is about calling out behaviour honestly, and acknowledging it's not just Putin as the only bad person in the world, or China for that matter. NATO allies like Turkey, Saudi Arabia etc commit awful atrocities against their own people and others. You might be best opening your mind to what's happening a little, rather than calling those that do "stains" on anything.

China has 1 million Uyghurs living in Internment camps where women are tortured, raped and sterilised. China are guilty of genocide and ethnic cleansing. The USA may have its problems but to compare the two is frankly absurd.

As I said I am not a fan of the USA or its political system but to compare voter intimidation in the States to ethnic cleansing in China is horrendous. You have just taken Whataboutism to a new level in a bizarre attempt to defend Moshiri, Usmanov and even Putin.

Funny you should bring up the ex President of the United States because you sound like one of his supporters trying to defend the indefensible. Frankly I do not care what other clubs do but to Everton is special. That means having nothing to do with USM and it's owners, who are clearly part of war mongerer Putin's inner circle.

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[hippopotamus]

Well that adds nothing to the discussion I'm afraid.

I was pointing out that Russia are not the only country to invade another country post 1945. I stand by that.

As for the inner circle, neither Usmanov or particularly Moshiri are in any way associated with Putins Inner circle. They are not MPs in their Parliament, and are not on any of the senior committees.

They are no more inner circle than John Henry, or Joel Glazier is the inner circle of Trumps America. They are far less inner circle than PIF to Saudis war on Yemen.

Yet I'm being pulled out for pointing these quite obvious things out.

Unfortunately, it is not simple as you put it. If you ignore large swathes of evidence it is simple. If you engage with all of the evidence in its entirety it's actually quite complex.

Nah, it'simple. You're just talking bollox and comparing penis to finger.

 

[gwladysnight]

Well that adds nothing to the discussion I'm afraid.

I was pointing out that Russia are not the only country to invade another country post 1945. I stand by that.

As for the inner circle, neither Usmanov or particularly Moshiri are in any way associated with Putins Inner circle. They are not MPs in their Parliament, and are not on any of the senior committees.

They are no more inner circle than John Henry, or Joel Glazier is the inner circle of Trumps America. They are far less inner circle than PIF to Saudis war on Yemen.

Yet I'm being pulled out for pointing these quite obvious things out.

Unfortunately, it is not simple as you put it. If you ignore large swathes of evidence it is simple. If you engage with all of the evidence in its entirety it's actually quite complex.

Andrei Skoch the second-biggest shareholder in USM is a member of the Russian parliament.

As for the rest please stop the whataboutism. As Evertonians we should be putting our house in order.

 

[mightymoyes]

The fact remains kenwright will be down his local launderette trying to clean his moshri money. His only dilemma - persil or daz?

he may as well get in on the act seeing money laundering is the UK top business along with arms dealing.

 

[ForeverBlue92]

Andrei Skoch the second-biggest shareholder in USM is a member of the Russian parliament.

As for the rest please stop the whataboutism. As Evertonians we should be putting our house in order.

lol lol lol

 

[EverTheOptimist]

As for China into Taiwan, maybe. That may well be a very good thing for Taiwan, as it has been for the people of Hong Kong to be freed from the tyranny of British imperialism.

Freed from a democratic way of life into Communist way of life where freedoms are nil, no free speech, no right to protest, being watched and controlled at a systematic level, such a beacon of civilization is China post Mao, the Taiwanese have no desire to be Chinese, and the people of Hong Kong are still protesting against forced Chinese manipulation of their freedoms.

I never knew you were such a Marxist Leninist Stalinist Maoist.

 

[catcherintherye]

Can I kill your dog and I’d pay you a grand and you just shut up about it cos I’ve contributed to your financial well-being. Or perhaps I can kill your neighbours dog too. You should be idolising me for being generous.

I don't really understand what your point is here.

You shouldn't be killing dogs.

 

[ForeverBlue92]

Andrei Skoch the second-biggest shareholder in USM is a member of the Russian parliament.

As for the rest please stop the whataboutism. As Evertonians we should be putting our house in order.

Andrei Skoch has nothing to do with Everton.

When PIF leave Newcastle

Qatar are stripped of the world cup and leave PSG

When UAE and the Chinese leave Man City

When Abramovich leaves Chelsea

When the 20 PL clubs including your beloved Liverpool give their Qatari blood TV money back to BEIN Sports

When the Chinese leave Wolves

After all that happens and football is pure again maybe then I'll agree USM should leave.

Until that day comes I aint advocating cutting my nose off to spite my face and neither should anyone else.

Regardless of what happens at EFC it wont affect Putin and the Ukraine situation.

 

[catcherintherye]

Freed from a democratic way of life into Communist way of life where freedoms are nil, no free speech, no right to protest, being watched and controlled at a systematic level, such a beacon of civilization is China post Mao, the Taiwanese have no desire to be Chinese, and the people of Hong Kong are still protesting against forced Chinese manipulation of their freedoms.

I never knew you were such a Marxist Leninist Stalinist Maoist.

I am an anti-imperialist. I'm glad the British were booted out of countries they invaded.

Werent the Hong Protests in support of Trump, and started to protect an abusive male who had murdered his partner being put on trial? They sound a delightful bunch.

 

[catcherintherye]

Andrei Skoch has nothing to do with Everton.

When PIF leave Newcastle

Qatar are stripped of the world cup and leave PSG

When UAE and the Chinese leave Man City

When Abramovich leaves Chelsea

When the 20 PL clubs including your beloved Liverpool give their Qatari blood TV money back to BEIN Sports

When the Chinese leave Wolves

After all that happens And football is pure again maybe then I'll agree USM should leave.

Until that day comes I aint advocating cutting my nose off to spite my face.

That's it.

It's a massive reach. And yes, when everyone else agrees, I will agree too.